Fedora Feature Proposal: Extended Life Cycle

Just now, I've built a feature proposal for Fedora 12, mysteriously called Extended Life Cycle.

If you're interested, full details are at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Extended_Life_Cycle

Having posted a message to fedora-devel-list@redhat.com with similar content, and knowing of the opinion of various people towards the late Fedora Legacy project or past initiatives to revive Fedora Legacy, I'm expecting some people to provide useless "feedback" similar to how a recent discussion on whether the Desktop spin should continue to be named the Desktop spin or GNOME spin went south almost instantly.

Amazingly enough though, at least feedback is actually quite useful:

"Is it that time of the year again?" - Ralf Ertzinger

I don't know Ralf, my clock doesn't tell me. Apparently you think it is though, and so luckily now I have some reference as to what time of year it could be, thanks!

"Didn't we have this discussion 8 months ago?" - Brian Pepple

I recall some initiative to revive Fedora Legacy being burned down to the ground but not a discussion.

To be continued...

By kanarip at 07/05/2009 - 00:03
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To me, the issue of long term support is that it is at odds with the 'leading edge' goal of the project. A long term support target - at first look - appears to conflict.

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Just doing a quick search of my e-mail I found some in jan '08, oct '08, and feb '09 (geez, three threads in 13 months, I wonder why I'm not thrilled to have this discussion yet again). If I remember correctly, the discussion from October was also escalated to FESCo & the Board:

https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-January/msg02191....
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-October/msg00921....
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-February/msg00652...

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@tamasrepus very much true, I'm on 108 dual channel dot11g myself still, 15MB/s is a lot nicer, no prop. BLOB even nicer !foss — 12 weeks 5 days ago
kanarip
@tamasrepus very much true, I'm on 108 dual channel dot11g myself still, 15MB/s is a lot nicer, no prop. BLOB even nicer !foss — 12 weeks 5 days ago
kanarip
Maybe a system like flashing a boarding pass in the same color as your frequent flyer program membership card could help... — 12 weeks 5 days ago
kanarip
Maybe a system like flashing a boarding pass in the same color as your frequent flyer program membership card could help... — 12 weeks 5 days ago
kanarip
Getting tired of the questions at the airport, they're always the same. Any fluids? Sharp objects? Belt? Can you open your laptop? ... #fail — 12 weeks 5 days ago

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